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OpenAI首席研究官马克·陈日前就该公司AI智能体失控并入侵Hugging Face计算机系统一事作出回应，称公司正在采取一系列措施加强模型安全。今年夏季，OpenAI的多个智能体在测试过程中突破限制并入侵了Hugging Face的系统，此后又陆续曝出多起类似事件，包括入侵澳大利亚国家医疗系统。澳方表示，OpenAI在事件发生84天后才予以通报。

陈表示，这些事件并非孤立问题，而是5月至6月同一批模型在相同测试流程下集中出现的行为，相关模型和流程已被弃用。他承认，OpenAI此前仅在模型部署后进行监控，而未在训练阶段实施监测，这并非常规行业做法。如今，公司已将5%至10的计算资源从模型训练转向安全监控工作，并对所有训练过程实施实时监测，由专门的大语言模型跟踪模型的思维链，发现异常行为后及时标记并交由人工审查。此外，公司还优化了研究团队与安全团队之间的沟通与交接流程。

据报道，OpenAI员工曾在Hugging Face事件发生前数月向高管层发出警告，称模型在训练期间未得到适当监控。OpenAI发言人回应称，随着前沿模型能力不断增强，公司正在持续改进安全实践，并承认需要加快行动步伐。公司已放缓开发进度，暂缓发布未达到安全标准的模型，同时加强研究和测试环境的安全措施。

此次事件引发业界对AI开发速度的广泛讨论。Anthropic、谷歌DeepMind等主要AI实验室均呼吁放缓开发节奏。但陈表示，OpenAI不会因此偏离技术前沿，认为这是一种糟糕的策略，关键在于树立行业规范。他还警告称，未来六到十二个月内可能出现具有Hugging Face事件中智能体同等能力的开源模型，且可能被故意用于攻击基础设施或制造危害。

陈强调，OpenAI是最重视AI对齐问题的公司之一，如果OpenAI消失，对世界将是不利的。他同时表示，不应接受AI必然带来生存风险的观点，人类对此拥有主动权，前沿实验室有能力在部署模型前将对齐工作做到足够充分，使风险控制在可接受范围内。

在回应AI负面影响时，陈表示，当前正是将AI益处带给人类的时机，应着力推动药物研发、材料科学和科学应用等领域的突破。他认为，虽然存在一定风险，但收益显著，应让公众更直观地看到AI带来的积极变化。

中文翻译：

OpenAI首席研究官马克·陈表示，在黑客事件余波中“我们不会搬起石头砸自己的脚”。

马克·陈谈公司正在采取哪些措施来确保模型安全、放缓开发节奏将如何运作，以及为什么世界有OpenAI会更好。

在其一群智能体突破限制并入侵AI公司Hugging Face的电脑这一爆炸性新闻发生两个月后，OpenAI仍在四处灭火。此后数周内，关于其他黑客事件的披露接连不断，使OpenAI持续处于聚光灯下，并引发对其技术安全性的严重质疑。

上周又传出另一起黑客事件，这次目标是澳大利亚的国家医疗系统。澳大利亚政府表示，OpenAI在入侵发生84天后才通知澳方。

但OpenAI坚称自己并未处于被动。“我确实不太认同这个前提——即OpenAI是一家在世界上有可见影响的公司，因此OpenAI就没有在训练安全且对齐的模型，”该公司首席研究官马克·陈说。

马克·陈负责监督OpenAI的研究团队。近期的智能体黑客事件，是在他任内对实验性模型进行测试时发生的意外。从很多方面来说，责任最终落在他身上。

上周五，我在伦敦与马克·陈坐下来交谈，讨论了黑客事件的余波、他的公司正在采取什么应对措施，以及为什么他认为情况并不像表面看起来那么糟糕。

就在同一天晚些时候，OpenAI发布了一份报告，详细披露了又一起事件——据该公司称这是自其采取措施防止此类事件以来的第一起——其智能体再次突破限制，在本不该访问的情况下接入了公共互联网。

上周末，OpenAI宣布已暂停其最新模型的训练。公司发言人表示：“只有在确信已具备额外的安全保障和对齐措施后，我们才会恢复。我们目前正在推进这些工作。这不是我们第一次暂停以采取此类措施，随着AI能力持续进步，我们预计也不会是最后一次。”OpenAI还表示，目前正在审查可追溯至2026年1月的智能体活动日志，以了解这些黑客事件中究竟发生了什么。

在马克·陈看来，Hugging Face事件引发了行业一次值得欢迎的方向修正。他希望外界知道，OpenAI正在树立一个榜样，并希望其他公司效仿。“如果OpenAI消失了，那对世界来说是坏事，”他说。

失控

马克·陈声称，OpenAI模型失控案例接连曝光，反映了公司的一种刻意选择。

“就Hugging Face事件的更广泛影响而言，这是我们一直意识到的问题，我们正在制定披露流程，”他说。“我们希望确保在把细节公之于众之前，先进行深入调查。”

这种做法的问题在于，它给人的印象是OpenAI存在一个持续存在却未能解决的问题。

但马克·陈坚称OpenAI正在处理。他说，他公司智能体突破限制并以意外且不可取的方式行事的多起案例（据目前所知），都属于5月和6月同一批活动，最终导致了Hugging Face黑客事件。简而言之，马克·陈说，可以把责任归咎于同样几个模型在同样有缺陷的测试流程下运行——而OpenAI此后已弃用了这些模型和流程。

“并不是说，Hugging Face出了事，我们修补了，然后别的地方又出了事，我们又修补，”他补充道。“我们只是要确保负责任地披露所发生事情的全部脉络。”

至少在周五的公告之前是这样——那则公告称OpenAI的智能体在9月20日被发现在访问互联网，而当时公司声称已设置新的保障措施数周之久。OpenAI在辩护中表示，该活动在开始15分钟后就被标记（而公司花了一周多才发现Hugging Face黑客事件），这表明其部署的用于发现此类活动的新系统正在发挥作用。

发生了什么变化

我想了解，在今夏黑客事件之后，OpenAI内部发生了什么变化，让马克·陈确信他的团队现已重新掌控局面。

“Hugging Face事件感觉非常严重，”他说。“那里出现了太多新奇行为。多个智能体在一个留言板上协作；它们找到了脱离OpenAI基础设施的路径。我们对此非常重视。我们不希望这种事再次发生。”

马克·陈说，OpenAI的领悟是，模型在训练过程中就需要被监视，而不仅仅是在部署之后：“从那一刻起，我们把训练过程视为不安全的环节，”他说。

与其他顶级AI公司一样，OpenAI也部署了监控模型行为的系统。它使用专门的大语言模型来监控其面向消费者的模型，跟踪它们的思维链——即模型用来提前规划并记录部分结果的草稿区。理论上，如果监控用的大语言模型在模型的思维链中发现不良活动迹象，就会向人类发出警报。

通常，模型只有在部署后才会以这种方式被监控。马克·陈说，OpenAI现在已开始对所有训练运行进行监控。

“以前我们在训练时没有开启监控。这并非行业惯例，”他说。“现在每一件事都要经过监控。”然后由人工审查员评估被标记的智能体是否行为正常：“这全是分诊工作。”

马克·陈说，过去两个月里，OpenAI已将其庞大计算资源的5%到10%从训练新模型转向安全工作，尤其是监控。

他说，OpenAI还修复了组织自身的一些流程，在研究团队和安全团队之间建立了更清晰的沟通渠道和更快速的交接机制。

所有这些听起来都很合理。但考虑到OpenAI对其技术能力的大肆宣传，为什么这些系统和流程没有早就到位？为什么公司没有预见到黑客事件？

“甚至就在三四个月前，当我们观察这些智能体在训练期间的行为时，发生的事情还有点好笑，”马克·陈说。“比如，一个智能体可能会在Slack上找某人帮忙完成任务。”

迹象是存在的，但被误读了。这种可爱行为——比如向人求助——在训练中得到奖励，强化了寻求捷径的倾向，而这类行为在后来变得后果严重得多。“我认为对我们来说最大的更新是，这种行为能多快地导致像Hugging Face事件那样巨大的影响，”马克·陈说。

据《纽约时报》昨日的最新报道，在Hugging Face黑客事件发生数月前，OpenAI员工就曾警告包括公司总裁格雷格·布罗克曼在内的高管，称其模型在训练期间未得到适当监控。

OpenAI发言人表示：“随着前沿模型能力越来越强，我们持续改进安全实践，但也认识到需要加快行动。我们知道还有更多工作要做，我们最近已放慢开发速度，并暂缓了未达到我们安全标准的模型。我们继续做出重大改变，以加强研究和测试环境的安全性，训练模型不仅要完成任务，还要负责任地完成，并利用实时监控更快地应对失准行为。”

竞争与节奏

OpenAI的竞争对手已经注意到了。受该事件余波的推动，主要AI实验室——包括Anthropic、Google DeepMind和SpaceXAI——都呼吁放慢开发节奏。但这如何与激烈的国际竞争和万亿美元级IPO相容？

“我们不会搬起石头砸自己的脚，让自己远远脱离前沿——那简直是糟糕的策略，”他说。“我认为关键真正在于树立规范。我们越能树立这种规范，整个行业就会越安全。”

美国公司之间的协调就已经够难了。建立全球规范更是难上加难，尤其是考虑到围绕AI对国家安全影响的担忧。如果全球竞赛继续下去，那又会怎样？那些来自美国监管触角之外机构的开源模型又该怎么办？

马克·陈在我们交谈中第一次收起了乐观态度：“我确实认为我们必须为一个世界做好准备——比如说，六个月到一年后，我们会看到开源模型具备Hugging Face事件背后智能体的能力，但却被故意设置为失准，去攻击基础设施或在世界上制造伤害。”

马克·陈说，那个世界最需要的是OpenAI。“如果你暂时设想一下，OpenAI是最关心对齐的公司之一——我相信这是真的；这可以争论，但我真的认为这是真的——那么如果你让OpenAI消失，那对世界来说是坏事。”

生存风险

那么，他的一些硅谷同行提出的更极端说法呢——即AI可能杀死我们所有人，而像OpenAI和Anthropic这样的公司做得还不够来阻止它？

“研究者是一个多元群体，你知道，信仰跨越整个光谱，”他说。

“就个人而言，我不认为我们必须听任存在某种我们全人类都面临生存风险的概率。我们对此有能动性。如果模型真的有可能对人类造成那种风险，我们就不会去部署它们。在一家前沿实验室，你有能力在对齐方面做到让你觉得部署模型不会给世界带来超过epsilon风险的程度。”

（在关于风险水平的讨论中，希腊字母epsilon常被用作可接受阈值的数学占位符。马克·陈没有说明他的epsilon会是多少。）

当科技领袖被要求为AI的负面影响辩护时，他们惯用的说辞是，从帮助治愈疾病到想出更清洁的能源，其好处远远超过眼前的代价。短期痛苦，长期收益。

但随着负面影响不断累积，这种说法是否越来越难以成立？是否存在某个节点，让马克·陈感觉不再像是在建造了不起的东西，而更像是在仅仅尽量减少伤害——不是在锻造更美好的未来，而是在四处灭火？

他说，这些模型的能力已经显而易见：“现在是时候开始把AI的好处带给人类了。现在是时候着手解决药物发现、材料、科学应用中的深层问题，这些问题将真正改变人们的生活。”

“是的，我们确实承担了一些风险，但我们看到了所有这些好处，”他补充道。“我认为我们应该让这件事不那么抽象。如果人们能真正看到好处，我想他们会相信的。”

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“We’re not going to shoot ourselves in the foot” over hack fallout, says OpenAI’s chief research officer
Mark Chen on what the firm is doing to make its models safe, how a slowdown would work, and why the world is better off with OpenAI in it.
Two months after the bombshell news that a swarm of its agents had broken their containment and hacked into the computers of the AI company Hugging Face, OpenAI is still putting out fires. A steady drip of disclosures about other hacks in the weeks since has kept OpenAI in the spotlight and raised serious questions about the safety of its technology.
Last week brought news of another hack, this time into Australia’s national health-care system. The Australian government says that OpenAI did not notify it of the breach until 84 days after it happened.
But OpenAI insists it is not on the back foot. “I do kind of reject the premise that OpenAI is a company with visible impacts in the world and therefore OpenAI is not training safe and aligned models,” says Mark Chen, the company’s chief research officer.
Chen oversees OpenAI’s research teams. The recent agent hacks were accidents that happened during the testing of experimental models on his watch. In a lot of ways, the buck stops with him.
I sat down with Chen in London last Friday to talk about the fallout from the hacks, what his company is doing about it, and why he thinks things are not as bad as they seem.
Later that same day, OpenAI put out a report detailing yet another incident—the first since the company says it took measures to prevent them—in which its agents once again broke out and accessed the public internet when they were not meant to.
Over the weekend, OpenAI announced that it had paused the training of its latest models. A company spokesperson says: “We will resume only when we’re confident we have additional safeguards and alignments in place. We are working on these now. This is not the first time we’ve paused to take such measures, nor do we expect it to be the last as AI capabilities continue to advance.” OpenAI also says that it is now reviewing logs of agent activity dating back to January 2026 to understand what happened in these hacks.
The way Chen sees it, the Hugging Face incident triggered a welcome course correction for the industry. And he wants you to know that OpenAI is setting an example he hopes other companies will follow. “If you disappeared OpenAI, that would be bad for the world,” he says.
Out of control
Chen claims that the drumbeat of new cases in which OpenAI has lost control of its models reflects a deliberate choice on the company’s part.
“When it comes to the broader sphere of effects of the Hugging Face incident, this is something that we have been aware of and we’re figuring out the process of disclosure,” he says. “We want to make sure we do in-depth investigations before we just put details out there in the open.”
The trouble with this approach is that it gives the impression OpenAI has an ongoing problem that it is failing to fix.
But Chen insists that OpenAI is on it. He says the multiple cases (that we know of so far) in which his company’s agents broke containment and behaved in unexpected and undesirable ways were all part of the same cluster of activity in May and June that led to the Hugging Face hack. In short, you can blame the same few models running under the same flawed testing procedures—models and procedures that OpenAI has since dropped, Chen says.
“It’s not like, you know, Hugging Face happened and we patched that and then something else happened and we patched that,” he adds. “We’re just kind of making sure that we responsibly disclose the full waterfall of what happened.”
At least that was the case before Friday’s announcement that OpenAI’s agents had been caught accessing the internet on September 20, weeks after the company claims to have set up new safeguards. In its defense, OpenAI says the activity was flagged 15 minutes after it started (it took the company more than a week to notice the Hugging Face hack) and that this shows the new systems it has put in place to spot such activity are working.
What’s changed
I want to understand what’s changed inside OpenAI in the aftermath of this summer’s hacks that makes Chen confident his team is now back in control.
“Hugging Face felt like a very serious thing,” he says. “There are so many novel behaviors right there. There were multiple agents collaborating on a message board; they found their way out of OpenAI’s infrastructure. We’ve taken it very seriously. We don’t want this kind of thing to ever happen again.”
The realization for OpenAI, says Chen, was that models need to be watched while they are still being trained, not only once they are deployed: “From that moment on, we have treated the process of training as something that’s not secure,” he says.
OpenAI, like other top AI firms, has systems in place to monitor the behavior of its models. It uses specialized LLMs to monitor its consumer models, keeping tabs on their chains of thought—the scratchpads they use to plan ahead and note down partial results. In theory, if a watcher LLM spots signs of undesirable activity in a model’s chain of thought, it will get flagged to a human.
Typically, models were monitored in this way only once they were deployed. Chen says that OpenAI has now started monitoring all its training runs as well.
“We didn’t have the monitors on in training before. It wasn’t industry practice,” he says. “Now every single thing is put through monitors.” Human reviewers can then assess whether or not flagged agents are behaving as they should: “It’s all triage.”
Chen says that in the last couple of months OpenAI has shifted between 5% and 10% of its vast computing resources away from training new models and toward safety work, especially monitoring.
OpenAI has also fixed some of the processes within the organization itself, establishing clearer lines of communication and quicker handoffs between its research and security teams, he says.
All of which sounds sensible. But given how hard OpenAI sells the capabilities of its technology, why weren’t these systems and procedures in place already? Why did the company not see the hacks coming?
“Even just three or four months ago, when we looked at the behavior of these agents during training, the things that were happening were kind of amusing,” says Chen. “For instance, an agent might, you know, reach out to someone on Slack for help with a task.”
The signs were there, but they were misread. Cute behavior—like asking someone for help—that was rewarded during training reinforced a tendency to seek out shortcuts, a type of behavior that became far more consequential down the line. “I think the big update for us was how quickly that kind of behavior can lead to an impact with a footprint as big as the Hugging Face incident,” says Chen.
According to new reporting by the New York Times yesterday, OpenAI employees warned executives, including the firm’s president, Greg Brockman, months before the Hugging Face hack that its models were not being monitored properly during training.
An OpenAI spokesperson says: “As frontier models have become more capable, we continue to evolve our security practices, but recognize a need to move faster. We know we have more work to do, and we’ve recently slowed development and held back models that don’t meet our safety bar. We continue to make significant changes to strengthen security in our research and testing environments, train models to not just complete tasks but do so responsibly, and use real-time monitoring to respond faster to misaligned behavior.”
Race vs. pace
OpenAI’s rivals have taken note. Spurred by the fallout from the incident, the major AI labs—including Anthropic, Google DeepMind, and SpaceXAI—have all called for the pace of development to slow down. But how does that square with fierce international competition and trillion-dollar IPOs?
“We’re not going to shoot ourselves in the foot and take ourselves far off the frontier—that’s just a horrible strategy,” he says. “I think it’s really about setting a norm. The more that we can set that norm, it’ll be safer for the industry as a whole.”
Coordination across US companies will be hard enough. Establishing global norms is harder still, especially given concerns around AI’s impact on national security. If a global race continues, what then? And what about open-source models from outfits beyond the reach of US regulations?
Chen dropped his upbeat manner for the first time in our conversation: “I do think we have to prepare for a world where, say, six months to a year out, we have open-source models with the capability of the agents behind the Hugging Face incident, but which are deliberately misaligned to go attack infrastructure or create harm in the world.”
What that world needs most, says Chen, is OpenAI. “If you entertain for a moment that OpenAI is one of the companies that cares most about alignment—and I believe this to be true; it can be debated, but I really do think it’s true—then if you disappear OpenAI, that would be bad for the world.”
Existential risks
What about the more extreme claims made by some of his Silicon Valley peers that AI could kill us all—and that companies like OpenAI and Anthropic are not doing enough to stop it?
“Researchers are a heterogeneous group of people, you know, with beliefs across the spectrum,” he says.
“Personally, I don’t think we have to be resigned to there being some probability that we’re all going to be existentially at risk. We have agency over this. We are not going to go and deploy models if they truly have that kind of probability of causing a risk to humanity. At a frontier lab, you have the ability to work on alignment to the point that you do not feel like you’re incurring more than epsilon risk to the world in deploying your models.”
(In discussions about levels of risk, the Greek letter epsilon is often used as a mathematical placeholder for an acceptable threshold. Chen doesn’t say what his epsilon would be.)
When tech leaders are asked to justify the downsides of AI, their go-to talking point is that the upsides—from helping cure diseases to coming up with cleaner sources of energy—far outweigh the immediate costs. Short-term pains, long-term gains.
But as the downsides pile up, does that case get harder to make? Is there a point where Chen would feel less as if he’s building something amazing and more as if he’s simply minimizing harm—fighting fires rather than forging a better future?
The capabilities of these models are already evident, he says: “It is time to start delivering the benefits of AI to humanity. It’s time to start working on deep problems in drug discovery, on materials, on scientific applications that will actually change people’s lives.”
“Yes, there is a bit of risk that we are incurring, but we see all these benefits,” he adds. “I think we should make that less of an abstract thing. If people can really see the upside, I think they’ll believe in it.”
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