内容来源：https://www.wired.com/story/aged-intelligence-society-interview/

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近日，一款名为“高龄智慧社”（Aged Intelligence Society）的邀请制晚宴活动在女性群体中迅速走红。该活动由前《连线》杂志编辑肖莎娜·伯格与妮娜·威尔多夫共同创办，旨在帮助中年女性利用前沿人工智能工具解决生活中的实际问题。活动自创办以来场场爆满，第二场晚宴即获《纽约时报》报道，数百名女性申请参加后续活动，其分享工具与技巧的Substack专栏订阅量迅速突破千人，旧金山湾区以外的女性也开始自发组织类似聚会。

伯格与威尔多夫对人工智能持务实态度。威尔多夫表示：“这是我们这一代人最具塑造性的技术，它已经来了。如果你选择置身事外，那是在亏待自己。”两人强调，她们并非盲目推崇人工智能，而是认为保持参与至关重要。每场晚宴设有明确规则，包括“意识形态停车场”——即不在此讨论人工智能毁灭性的一面，而是专注于提升使用熟练度、测试工具、减轻日常行政负担。

活动要求每位参与者携带笔记本电脑和一个“中年困境”问题。在十五分钟的“图书馆时间”里，两人会逐一指导参与者优化提示词、尝试不同工具。参与者背景多元，涵盖非营利组织从业者、设计师、全职母亲、企业高管及慈善领域人士，每场人数控制在八至十二人以保证交流质量。

伯格指出，中年女性面临上有老下有小的“三明治一代”压力，人工智能在减轻认知与情感负担方面具有切实价值。她举例说，一位参与者将三百页的保险材料交给人工智能分析，成功确认其母亲符合长期护理资格，并获得代为撰写申诉信的服务。伯格本人也曾将咨询方案输入人工智能，被告知收费过低，随后将费率翻倍，客户并未质疑。

两人认为，四十岁以上女性具备敏锐的判断力和丰富的提问经验，能够对人工智能输出保持审慎态度，不断追问与验证，因此这一工具在某种意义上正是为拥有阅历的成熟人群而设计。伯格表示，人工智能如同新时代的洗衣机，为女性节省大量时间，而“高龄智慧社”的核心理念正是帮助最需要优化时间的人群实现这一目标。

中文翻译：

我甚至不打算假装自己对肖莎娜·伯杰没有一点点崇拜。她是《连线》杂志的前编辑，后来转型成为Notion和Ideo等公司的编辑负责人。她超级聪明，也超级有品位。她和妮娜·威尔多夫共同创立了“年长智慧协会”——一个备受关注的活动创业公司，专门举办仅限邀请的晚宴派对，让女性“用前沿工具解决中年问题”。

伯杰和威尔多夫对AI有一种令人耳目一新的务实态度。“这是我们这一代最具塑造力的技术，它已经来了，”威尔多夫说，“如果你选择置身事外，你就是在亏待自己。”

这个论点引起了共鸣。她们的活动从第一天起就供不应求。她们举办的第二场晚宴派对就被《纽约时报》报道了。数百名女性主动联系，请求参加未来的活动。她们的Substack——分享工具和技巧的地方——迅速突破了一千名订阅者，其中包括一位《纽约客》的撰稿人和一位小镇市长。旧金山湾区以外的女性现在也在自己举办“年长智慧”聚会。

她们也身体力行，尤其是在她们同时应对孩子上大学、自己父母年迈以及日益火爆的生意的时候。“中年的认知和情感劳动如此沉重、如此强烈，我们需要一个助手，”伯杰说，“说实话，我们需要国民警卫队，但AI可以在此期间帮忙。”

以下访谈经过编辑和精简，以确保清晰。

佐伊·希弗：年长智慧协会是怎么创立的？

肖莎娜·伯杰：妮娜和我都是正在康复中的杂志编辑。我们在一个朋友的生日派对上碰面，当时我们俩都痴迷于Claude——我们的新法国情人。其他所有女性听我们说话时眼神都是茫然的；她们完全不在这个对话里。后来我说：“妮娜，我觉得这可能是一门生意，因为所有这些女性都需要做我们正在做的事。”

妮娜·威尔多夫：第一场活动之前我们超级紧张……

伯杰：我们需要吃β受体阻滞剂和印度人参，因为我们当时想，等等，我们要邀请所有这些厉害的女性——这些真正聪明、成就非凡的女性——而我们又不是AI专家。但我们一直在做我们作为记者通常会做的事，那就是测试这些工具，而很多女性似乎并没有在这样做。

女性退出这场对话有一百万个理由，而我们当时想的是：“不不不，如果你想在职场中保持相关性，你就不能退出这场对话。你需要做到流利自如。”

威尔多夫：我们并不是对这方面的一切都摇旗呐喊，但我们坚定地认为，参与其中非常重要。

你们如何为参与者设定活动的预期？

伯杰：每场派对都有参与规则。其中之一是我们有一个“意识形态停车场”。所以如果你想讨论AI将如何毁掉一切，这不是最合适的场合。我们在很多方面也对AI感到恐惧，觉得它可能相当具有威胁性，尤其是对我们这样的创意工作者来说，但这不是我们来这里的目的。我们来这里是为了获得流利度、测试东西、减轻我们的行政负担。

威尔多夫：还有吃一些真正好吃的奶酪、喝一些葡萄酒。

伯杰：我们让每个人带一台笔记本电脑和一个中年问题。我们称之为“中年困境”。我们花15分钟做我们所谓的“图书馆时间”。大家都把笔记本电脑拿出来，你处理你的问题。妮娜和我在房间里走来走去，像夏尔巴向导一样带着大家体验：“你可以试试这个工具，试试这个LLM。你的提示词感觉有点弱。你没有得到你想要的答案。我们来改进一下，迭代一下。”

威尔多夫：有时候人们会说：“你知道吗？我并不真的想让AI替我写东西。”我们就说：“哦不不，我们也不想。让我们给你展示一些其他你可以考虑的东西。”

你们从开始办这些派对以来就一直有等候名单。你们怎么决定谁能参加？

威尔多夫：我们确实发现最佳人数是八到十二人左右。超过这个数就有点混乱了。我们最好的活动都是那种神奇的混搭——你旁边坐着非营利组织工作的人，再旁边是做设计的人，再旁边是全职带娃的人，再旁边是一位CEO，再旁边是做慈善事业的人。

根据我的经验，大多数人无法立刻识别出生活中一个“软件形状”的问题。你们如何帮助人们看到一个AI确实能帮上忙的问题？

伯杰：我们试图做的很多事情就是展示它在解决中年过载方面的务实方式。我们经常被称为“三明治一代”。我们讨厌这个词，因为听起来就像我们是两片面包中间那片没味道的番茄。但真正的现实是，我们在应对越来越需要帮助的父母，以及可能正在起飞、也可能还没有的孩子。

有一位女性来参加活动，她的母亲被诊断出阿尔茨海默症，她想知道母亲是否符合长期护理的条件，因为她有一份保险。结果保险公司给她寄了一份三百页的材料。谁会去读那个？保险公司就是这样阻止你使用你的保险的。所以她当然把它喂给了AI。AI回来说：是的，你母亲完全符合护理条件，你需要我写一封信给保险公司帮你争取吗？

当我刚开始做顾问的时候，我以一种典型的女性方式，把自己的咨询费报得特别低。我把我的提案喂给Claude，说：“这有什么问题？让它无懈可击。”它回来说：“你这个工作范围收费不够。”我说：“那我该收多少？”它说：“从翻倍开始。”我深吸一口气，照做了。客户眼睛都没眨一下。

我觉得很多人不想靠近AI，因为他们看到那些粗制滥造的内容就反感。但你们说的是另一回事——用AI来做有经济价值的任务。

伯杰：经济价值这一块非常重要，因为女性长期被困在家里做家务劳动，因为我们在市场上不被视为有经济价值，对吧？所以年长智慧协会背后的理念是：如果有人需要优化自己的时间，那就是女性。

在某种程度上，AI就是新的洗衣机、新的洗衣房或者随便什么。它通过提供自动化，把一天中很多很多小时还给女性。

我们把范围缩小到40岁以上的人，是因为我们觉得40岁以上女性的产品市场契合度太精准了。第一，因为我们经过几十年的打磨，品味非常敏锐。我们知道如何提出真正犀利的问题。我们有非常强的“胡说八道探测器”，所以我们不会只接受第一个答案。我们会持续追问和推进。

所以我们觉得，这个工具在某种程度上就是为那些有一定智力水平和积累经验的人打造的。它不是为年轻人打造的。它不是为那些还没有经历过生活的失败和摩擦、还没有自己领悟出什么才是好问题的人打造的。

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I’m not even going to try to pretend I don’t have a bit of a girl-crush on Shoshana Berger. She’s a former WIRED editor turned editorial leader for companies like Notion and Ideo. She’s super smart and chic. And she’s the cofounder, with Nina Willdorf, of the Aged Intelligence Society, a buzzy events startup that hosts invite-only dinner parties where women “solve midlife problems using frontier tools.”
Berger and Willdorf having a refreshingly practical take on AI. “This is the most formative technology of our generation, and it’s here,” Willdorf says. “If you choose to sit it out, you are doing yourself a disservice.”
That thesis resonates. Their events have been oversubscribed since day one. The second dinner party they hosted was covered by The New York Times. Hundreds of women reached out asking to attend future events. Their Substack, where they share tools and tips, quickly got over 1,000 subscribers, including a New Yorker writer and a small-town mayor. Women outside the Bay Area are now hosting their own Aged Intelligence meetups.
They also practice what they preach, especially as they juggle kids entering college, their own aging parents, and their increasingly in-demand business. “The midlife cognitive and emotional labor is so heavy and so intense that we need an assistant,” Berger says. “Actually, we need the National Guard, but AI will help in the interim.”
This interview has been edited and condensed for clarity.
Zoë Schiffer: How did the Aged Intelligence Society start?
Shoshana Berger: Nina and I are both recovering magazine editors. We ended up at a friend's birthday party, and we were both obsessing over Claude, our new French lover. All the other women had glazed eyes while we were talking; they just weren’t part of the conversation. At some point I said, “Nina, I think this might be a business, because all these women need to be doing what we're doing.”
Nina Willdorf: We were super nervous before the first event …
Berger: We needed to take beta blockers and ashwagandha because we were like, wait, we're inviting all of these baller women, these really smart, incredibly accomplished women, and we’re not AI experts. But we have been doing what we usually did as reporters, which is test the tools in a way many women did not seem to be doing.
There's a million reasons for women to bow out of the conversation, and we were like, “no, no, no, you cannot bow out of this conversation if you are going to be relevant in the work world. You need to be fluent.”
Willdorf: We are not like pom-pom advocates for everything about this, but we feel committed to this idea that being involved is really important.
How do you set up expectations around the event for attendees?
Berger: There are rules of engagement for every party. One is we have an ideological parking lot. So if you want to talk about how AI is going to ruin everything, this is not the best space to do that. There are lots of ways in which we are also terrified about AI and find it can be quite menacing, especially for creatives like us, but that's not what we're here to do. We're here to gain fluency, test things out, and reduce our administrative load.
Willdorf: And eat some really good cheese and drink some wine.
Berger: We have everyone bring a laptop and a midlife problem. We call it a midlife quandary. We spend 15 minutes doing what we call library time. We all bring our laptops out, and you work on your problem. And Nina and I kind of walk around the room sherpa-ing people through the experience: “You might want to try this tool, try this LLM instead. Your prompt is feeling a little weak. You're not getting the answer that you like. Let's work on that and iterate.”
Willdorf: Sometimes people are like, “You know what? I don't really want AI to write for me.” And we're like, “Oh no, no, we don't either. Let us show you a couple other things you can think about.”
You’ve had a wait list for these parties since you started. How do you decide who gets to attend?
Willdorf: We have really found that the optimal number is between like eight and 12. When it gets bigger than that, it's a little bit chaotic. Our best events have been ones where there is a magical mix, and you have somebody that works in nonprofit next to somebody who works in design next to somebody who is home with the kids next to a CEO next to someone who works in philanthropy.
Most people, in my experience, cannot immediately identify a software-shaped problem in their life. How do you help people see an issue that AI could actually help with?
Berger: So much of what we're trying to do is show the pragmatic ways in which it's helping with midlife overload. We're often labeled the sandwich generation. We hate that term because it just sounds like we're the tasteless tomato in between two slabs of bread. But the real part of that is that we are dealing with parents who increasingly need help and kids who maybe are launching, maybe not.
One woman came to an event with a mother who was dealing with an Alzheimer's diagnosis, and she wanted to know whether her mother was qualified for long-term care because she had an insurance plan. Well, the insurance carrier sent her a 300-page packet. Who is going to read through that? This is how insurance companies keep you from using your insurance policy. So of course, she fed it to AI. And the AI came back saying, yes, your mother is absolutely qualified for care, and would you like me to write a letter to the insurance company to argue your case?
When I first started out as a consultant, I, in a typical female way, completely lowballed my consulting fee. I fed my proposal to Claude and said, “What's wrong with this? Make this bulletproof.” And it came back and said, “You're not charging enough for this scope of work.” And I was like, “Well, what should I charge?” And it said, “Start by doubling your rate.” I took a deep breath, and I did it. The client did not blink.
I feel that a lot of people don’t want to get near AI because they see slop and get the ick. But you’re talking about something different—using AI for economically valuable tasks.
Berger: The economic value piece is really important, because women have long suffered from being stuck at home as domestic laborers, because we weren't seen as economically valuable in the marketplace, right? So the idea behind Aged Intelligence Society is that if anyone needs to optimize their time, it's women.
In some ways, AI is the new washing machine or the new laundry or whatever it is. It's giving women many, many hours of the day back by offering them automation.
The reason we narrowed the aperture to people 40-plus is that we feel like the product-market fit for women who are over 40 is so spot on. One, because we have very discerning taste after many decades of honing it. We know how to ask really sharp questions. We have very strong bullshit meters, so we're not going to take just the first answer. We're going to keep probing and pushing.
And so we feel like in some ways this tool was built for people who have a certain level of intelligence and accrued experience. It's not really built for young people. It's not built for people who have not already gone through the failure and the friction of life and learned for themselves what makes for a good question.
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