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马斯克与OpenAI决裂内幕：豪宅密谈、送特斯拉“示好”与暴力威胁

在马斯克诉奥特曼一案的联邦法庭审理中，OpenAI联合创始人兼总裁格雷格·布罗克曼于周二作证，披露了2017年8月一次决定性会面的细节。当时，马斯克在他自称的“鬼屋”——位于旧金山以南希尔斯伯勒、价值2300万美元、占地47英亩的豪宅中，召集布罗克曼与OpenAI联合创始人兼前首席科学家伊利亚·苏茨克弗，共同讨论OpenAI的未来。马斯克当时的女友、演员艾梅柏·希尔德为大家倒上威士忌后，便与朋友匆匆离开。

“他是在给我们‘擦鞋’”：送特斯拉豪车意在制造亏欠感

会面伊始，马斯克向布罗克曼和苏茨克弗赠送了两辆崭新的特斯拉Model 3。布罗克曼在庭上表示：“感觉他是在给我们‘擦鞋’（buttering us up），他想让我们在某种程度上觉得欠他人情。”为了投桃报李，业余画家苏茨克弗当场送给马斯克一幅特斯拉汽车画作。

争夺控制权：马斯克欲建“独裁帝国”遭反对

当时，马斯克与其他联合创始人希望设立营利性部门，以吸引投资者投入数十亿美元用于算力支持。但马斯克同时也想掌控公司，而苏茨克弗与布罗克曼坚决反对给予这位特斯拉CEO他们认为会对AI发展未来构成“独裁”的绝对控制权。他们提议实行权力共享。

暴力威胁与深夜挽留：谈判破裂的戏剧性一幕

经过数分钟商议，马斯克拒绝了共享控制权的提议。布罗克曼回忆道：“他站起来，怒气冲冲地绕着桌子走。我当时真的以为他要打我，会对我进行人身攻击。”据布罗克曼证词，马斯克一把抓起那幅画，扬言在两人辞职之前切断对非营利组织的资金支持，随后摔门而去。然而当晚，马斯克的所谓“幕僚长”希冯·齐里斯致电布罗克曼和苏茨克弗，表示“事情还没完”， “还有包括我们在内的未来的讨论。”

法庭辩论焦点：3800万捐款是否被滥用

布罗克曼结束证词之际，这场激烈谈判的故事被公之于众。对OpenAI而言，豪宅事件只是马斯克反复无常行为的缩影，他们认为这削弱了其诉讼主张的合理性。马斯克指控布罗克曼等人滥用了他向OpenAI捐赠的约3800万美元，将其变成了如今估值8520亿美元的营利性企业（以ChatGPT和Codex等业务闻名）。布罗克曼、OpenAI CEO萨姆·奥特曼及OpenAI均否认有任何不当行为。该案的咨询判决最快将于下周交由陪审团审议。

OpenAI律师：英雄幻灭；马斯克律师：对方贪图财富

庭审后，OpenAI律师威廉·萨维特对记者表示，2017年的教训让布罗克曼明白了“认识英雄可能会很艰难”。萨维特称，布罗克曼钦佩马斯克的商业头脑，但其对控制权的绝对渴望令人担忧。马斯克的律师马克·托贝罗夫则指出，真正的问题在于布罗克曼分享控制权的动机，他在前一天庭审中已因对财富的渴望受到质疑。

关键证人视角：马斯克缺乏远见，不适合执掌AI公司

布罗克曼还讲述了另一个故事，证明为何他认为马斯克无法胜任执掌一家AI公司的重任。他回忆，当时OpenAI研究员亚历克·拉德福德向马斯克展示初版AI聊天机器人，但马斯克不喜欢机器人的回复，不停地批评“这个系统太蠢了，网上的小孩都能做得更好”。拉德福德因此“彻底崩溃”、“士气低落”，几乎要退出AI研究领域。布罗克曼和苏茨克弗花费了大量时间才帮他重建信心。布罗克曼认为，马斯克无法预见早期技术（最终成为ChatGPT的基础）的潜力，这证明他不适合控制OpenAI。“你需要有一点梦想，”布罗克曼说，“而马斯克没有表现出这一点。”

董事会内斗：曾考虑投票罢免马斯克

布罗克曼透露，在与马斯克就营利性子公司谈判拖了数月后，他、苏茨克弗和奥特曼曾考虑投票将马斯克踢出OpenAI非营利董事会。他们再次在马斯克的豪宅里喝着威士忌讨论替代融资方案。对“不能做什么”有共识，但对“应该做什么”几乎毫无头绪。布罗克曼作证说，他和苏茨克弗最终认为罢免马斯克“感觉不对”。根据马斯克2018年初的一封邮件，他最终自行离开，因为他认为OpenAI正走在“注定失败”的路上。

“代理马斯克”齐里斯：从密友到孩子母亲

当时同时担任OpenAI和马斯克顾问的齐里斯，多年来一直向马斯克通报OpenAI的进展。布罗克曼称她为“朋友”，并认为“她在某种程度上就是马斯克的代理人”。2020年，齐里斯加入OpenAI董事会，并于2021年生下马斯克的双胞胎。她告诉了布罗克曼她有了孩子，但布罗克曼后来通过新闻文章才知道马斯克是父亲。当他质问齐里斯时，对方称“是试管婴儿，与埃隆完全是柏拉图式的”。几位董事会成员曾想将齐里斯赶出董事会，但布罗克曼和苏茨克弗说服众人让她留下，因为她有助于管理马斯克对OpenAI的不满。“我们确实为此进行了董事会投票。”2023年马斯克创立竞争对手xAI后，齐里斯离开了OpenAI董事会。

内部矛盾频发：支持罢免竞争对手公司CEO与安全研究员

OpenAI还面临其他董事会成员冲突。布罗克曼表示，他支持将Quora CEO亚当·德安杰洛从董事会除名或至少部分回避，原因是其知识分享平台在2023年2月推出了与ChatGPT竞争的聊天机器人。德安杰洛目前仍在董事会。布罗克曼还支持将AI安全研究员海伦·托纳从董事会除名，但未说明具体原因。托纳在2023年参与解雇奥特曼后辞职，该行动最终失败并促成了奥特曼的迅速复职。德安杰洛和托纳未对证词作出回应。

据悉，齐里斯将于周三出庭作证。马斯克的律师曾以她和其与马斯克所育四个孩子的安全为由，要求不直播其证词，但被法官驳回。

中文翻译：

2017年8月，格雷格·布罗克曼与伊利亚·苏茨克维在埃隆·马斯克自称的“鬼屋”相聚——这座位于旧金山以南希尔斯伯勒的庄园占地47英亩、价值2300万美元，意在商讨OpenAI的未来。周二，在马斯克诉奥尔特曼案的联邦法庭听证中，OpenAI联合创始人兼总裁布罗克曼作证称，马斯克当时的演员女友安柏·赫德曾为在场众人斟上威士忌，随后便与友人匆匆离去。

会前，马斯克赠予布罗克曼与OpenAI联合创始人、前首席科学家苏茨克维各一辆全新特斯拉Model 3。“他像是在讨好我们，”布罗克曼在证人席上说，“想让我们欠他人情。”为表回礼，业余画家苏茨克维送给马斯克一幅特斯拉主题画作。马斯克与其他联合创始人希望设立营利性子公司，以吸引投资者注入数十亿美元资金支撑算力开销。但马斯克还想掌控公司，而苏茨克维与布罗克曼反对将AI发展未来交由这位特斯拉CEO“独裁统治”——他们提议共享控制权。

经过数分钟商议，马斯克拒绝了他们的提议。“他站起来，怒气冲冲地在桌子旁踱步，”布罗克曼回忆道，“我当时真以为他要动手打我。”据布罗克曼证词，马斯克抓起画作，扬言除非布罗克曼与苏茨克维辞职，否则将切断对非营利组织的资金支持，随后摔门而去。但当晚，马斯克的所谓幕僚长希冯·齐利斯致电二人“说事情还没完”，布罗克曼作证称，“我们还在讨论包含他们的未来方案。”

随着布罗克曼周二作证结束，这场激烈谈判的内幕浮出水面。对OpenAI而言，马斯克在豪宅中的举动代表其一贯反复无常的行为模式，公司认为这些行为削弱了其诉讼主张的可信度。马斯克声称，自己向OpenAI捐赠约3800万美元的资金被布罗克曼等人滥用，最终催生了如今估值8520亿美元的营利性企业——以ChatGPT和Codex等服务闻名。OpenAI首席执行官萨姆·奥尔特曼及公司方面否认任何不当行为，马斯克诉奥尔特曼案的陪审团最快下周将对咨询裁决展开审议。

周二庭审后，OpenAI代理律师威廉·萨维特告诉记者，布罗克曼在2017年学到的是“英雄相见未必如想象”。萨维特称，布罗克曼钦佩马斯克的商业头脑，但其对控制权的绝对渴望令人担忧。马斯克代理律师马克·托贝罗夫则向媒体指出，真正令人存疑的是布罗克曼分享控制权的动机——前一天法庭上，他对财富的渴望已受到审视。

布罗克曼本人则在周二讲述另一段往事，以佐证马斯克为何不适合掌控AI公司。他回忆称，时任OpenAI研究员亚历克·拉德福曾向马斯克展示早期AI聊天机器人版本，但生成的回答未获其认可。马斯克“不停地说这系统太蠢，连网上小孩都比它强”，布罗克曼表示。拉德福“彻底崩溃”、“心灰意冷”，甚至险些彻底离开AI研究领域。布罗克曼与苏茨克维“花了大量时间”重建其信心。在布罗克曼看来，马斯克未能看到这项早期技术（最终成为ChatGPT基础）的潜力，这证明他不适合控制OpenAI。“你需要一点想象力，”布罗克曼说，“而马斯克没有展现出这种能力。”

董事会纷争

布罗克曼周二透露，当与马斯克关于营利性子公司的谈判僵持数月后，他、苏茨克维与奥尔特曼曾考虑投票将马斯克逐出OpenAI非营利董事会。他们再次在马斯克豪宅中喝着威士忌会面，探讨替代融资方案。双方只对“不能做什么”达成共识，却对“该做什么”鲜有共同立场。但布罗克曼作证称，他与苏茨克维最终认为驱逐马斯克“不妥”。根据马斯克2018年初的一封邮件，他最终自行离开，理由是认定OpenAI“注定失败”。

彼时身兼OpenAI与马斯克双重顾问的齐利斯，在此后数年持续向马斯克通报这家AI企业的发展动态。“她在某些方面就像埃隆的代言人，”布罗克曼称其为“朋友”，两人于2012或2013年首次相识。

但齐利斯最终也面临自身危机。她于2020年加入OpenAI董事会，2021年诞下马斯克的双胞胎。她曾向布罗克曼透露孩子出生之事，但布罗克曼后来才从新闻报道中得知马斯克是孩子父亲。当他对质时，“她说孩子是通过试管婴儿获得的，与埃隆纯粹是柏拉图式关系，”布罗克曼作证道。部分董事会成员想罢免齐利斯，但布罗克曼称自己与苏茨克维说服众人留任她，因其有助于平息马斯克对OpenAI的不满。“我们确实进行了董事会投票，”他说。

2023年马斯克创立竞争实验室xAI后，齐利斯退出OpenAI董事会。

这并非OpenAI面临的唯一董事会成员冲突。布罗克曼表示，当知识分享平台Quora于2023年2月推出与OpenAI刚发布的ChatGPT竞争聊天机器人后，他支持罢免（或至少部分回避）QuoraCEO亚当·德安杰洛的董事职务。但德安杰洛至今仍在任。布罗克曼还称自己支持罢免AI安全研究员海伦·托纳的董事职务，但未说明原因。托纳在2023年参与罢免奥尔特曼的行动失败后辞职——该行动反噬自身，反促奥尔特曼迅速复职。德安杰洛与托纳未立即回应《连线》杂志就证词内容的置评请求。

马斯克视角下的董事会闹剧预计将于周三迎来新进展。齐利斯将出庭作证推进其案件。马斯克律师曾以保护她及两人共同抚养的四个孩子安全为由，要求不直播其证词。但美国地区法官伊冯娜·冈萨雷斯·罗杰斯裁定，不存在“具体且迫切的担忧”足以“切断直播”。

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In August 2017, Greg Brockman and Ilya Sutskever gathered at Elon Musk’s self-described “haunted mansion,” a 47-acre, $23 million estate in Hillsborough, south of San Francisco, to discuss the future of OpenAI. Actor Amber Heard, Musk’s then-girlfriend, had served the group whiskey and then dashed off with a friend, Brockman, OpenAI’s cofounder and president, testified in federal court during the trial for Musk v. Altman on Tuesday.
Ahead of the meeting, Musk gifted Brockman and Sutskever, OpenAI’s cofounder and former chief scientist, new Tesla Model 3 cars. “It felt like he was buttering us up,” Brockman said on the stand. “He wanted us to feel indebted to him in some way.” Sutskever tried to reciprocate for the occasion. The amateur artist presented Musk with a painting of a Tesla. Musk and the other cofounders wanted to establish a for-profit arm to entice investors to give them billions of dollars to pay for compute. But Musk also wanted control of the company, and Sutskever and Brockman objected to granting the Tesla CEO what they believed would be a “dictatorship” over the future of AI development. They proposed having shared control.
After several minutes of deliberation, Musk rejected their offer. “He stood up and stormed around the table,” Brockman recalled. “I actually thought he was going to hit me, physically attack me.” Musk grabbed the painting, said he would cut off his funding of the nonprofit until Brockman and Sutskever quit, and left the room, according to Brockman’s testimony. But that night, Musk’s so-called chief of staff Shivon Zilis called Brockman and Sutskever “to say it’s not over,” Brockman testified. “There were discussions of futures that included us.”
The story of the heated negotiations emerged as Brockman wrapped up his testimony on Tuesday. To OpenAI, the events at the mansion are representative of repeated instances of erratic behavior by Musk that they believe undermine his arguments about the company. Musk contends his roughly $38 million in donations to OpenAI were abused by Brockman and others on the path to creating the $852 billion for-profit venture now known for services such as ChatGPT and Codex. Brockman, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, and OpenAI deny any wrongdoing, and the jury in Musk v. Altman could begin deliberating on an advisory ruling as soon as next week.
After Tuesday’s testimony, William Savitt, an attorney for OpenAI, told reporters that what Brockman had learned in 2017 was how tough it can be to meet one’s heroes. Brockman admired and respected Musk’s business acumen, but his desire for control was absolute and concerning, Savitt said. Marc Toberoff, an attorney for Musk, told reporters that the true concern was Brockman’s motivations for sharing control, with his desire for wealth having faced scrutiny in court a day earlier.
For his part, Brockman offered another story on Tuesday to underscore why he thought Musk was not up to the task of controlling an AI company. Brockman recalled then-OpenAI researcher Alec Radford showing Musk an early version of an AI chatbot that didn’t generate responses that he liked. Musk “kept saying this system is so stupid, that a kid on the internet could do better,” Brockman said. Radford “was absolutely crushed” and “demoralized” to the point that he almost quit the AI research field altogether, Brockman said. Brockman and Sutskever “spent a lot of time” rebuilding his confidence. Musk’s inability to see the potential in the early technology—which eventually became the basis for ChatGPT—made him unfit to control OpenAI, in Brockman’s view. “You needed to dream a little bit,” Brockman said. And Musk hadn’t shown that he could.
Boardroom Fights
Brockman said Tuesday that he, Sutskever, and Altman considered voting Musk off the OpenAI nonprofit board as negotiations with him about a for-profit sibling company dragged on for months. They would meet again over whiskey at Musk’s mansion to discuss alternative funding options. There was agreement over what not to do, but little on what to do instead. But Brockman and Sutskever decided removing Musk felt “wrong,” Brockman testified. Eventually, Musk left on his own after deeming OpenAI was on a path of “certain failure,” according to an email he wrote in early 2018.
Zilis, then an adviser to both OpenAI and Musk, kept him informed about developments at the AI venture in the years to come. “She was proxy Elon in some ways,” Brockman said, referring to her as “a friend” who he had first met in 2012 or 2013.
But she eventually faced her own reckoning. Zilis joined OpenAI’s board in 2020 and gave birth to Musk’s twins in 2021. She told Brockman about the children. But he learned that Musk was the father only later through news articles. When Brockman confronted her, “she said it was via IVF and it was entirely platonic with Elon,” he testified. Several board members wanted to remove Zilis from the board, but Brockman said that he and Sutskever convinced them to let her stay because she helped manage Musk’s frustrations with OpenAI. “We actually had a board vote,” he said.
Zilis left the OpenAI board in 2023 after Musk launched the rival lab xAI.
It wasn’t the only board member conflict OpenAI faced. Brockman said he supported the removal, or at least partial recusal, of Quora CEO Adam D’Angelo from the board after the knowledge-sharing platform launched a chatbot in February 2023 that competed with OpenAI’s recently released ChatGPT. D’Angelo remains on the board today. Brockman also supported the removal of AI safety researcher Helen Toner from the board, he said, without specifying a reason. She resigned from her role in 2023 after she helped fire Altman in a move that backfired and quickly led to his reinstatement. D’Angelo and Toner didn't immediately respond to WIRED’s requests for comment on the testimony.
How the boardroom drama played out from Musk’s side will likely get fresh airing on Wednesday. Zilis is expected to take the witness stand to advance his case. Musk’s attorneys had asked her testimony not be livestreamed out of security concerns for her and the four children that she now shares with Musk. But US District Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers found there was no “specific compelling concern” that justifies “cutting off the transmission.”
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